THE DORANS FAMILY GRAVE IN CALCUTTA INDIA

THE DORANS FAMILY GRAVE IN CALCUTTA INDIA

MY ANCESTORS

Dear Ancestor
Your tombstone stands among the rest;
Neglected and alone
The name and date are chiseled out
On polished, marbled stone.
It reaches out to all who care
It is too late to mourn.
You did not know that I exist
You died and I was born.
Yet each of us are cells of you
In flesh, in blood, in bone.
Our blood contracts and beats a pulse
Entirely not our own.
Dear Ancestor, the place you filled
So many years ago
Spreads out among the ones you left
Who would have loved you so.
I wonder if you lived and loved,
I wonder if you knew
That someday I would find this spot,
And come to visit you.


POEM AUTHOR UN KNOWN
THANKS TO THE POET
FOR SUCH LOVELY WORDS

RUFUS SANDFORD AND MARY

RUFUS SANDFORD AND MARY

THE SANFORD CONNECTION

My grand mother was married twice ,
Ryan and Sanford.
Sanford was evidently the step father as my moms name was Evelyn Phyllis Ryan,

during her life time my mom mentioned that Sanford was a missionary and his mission was in Vizanagram in south India,and that he was from America she also mentioned a name Lottie. Later after searching the net came across the name Lottie who was his daughter from his first marriage, Sanford's wife died in1903 and prior to her death she was eight years in the States while Sanford was in India Sanford died in the thirty's, so it is possible he married a second wife after the demise of his first wife,
I suppose it was during this period after her death he may have married again, though I cannot say if it was a fact as I have not yet come across any evidence of his marriage accept my mom and her relatives words . Patsy who is still alive and is my mother's brother Herbert Ryan's daughter who is now settled in Australia , I shall continue this search following is the life of Rufus Sanford researched till the time of his first wife's death.


LAMONT (Lemont), MARY E. (Sanford), Baptist missionary; b. c. 1842 in Billtown, N.S., daughter of Joel Lemont and Rebecca — ; m. there 20 Aug. 1873 Rufus Sanford, and they had three children; d. 17 or 18 July 1903 in Madras, India.

Born and raised in a predominantly Baptist community, Mary E. Lamont “professed faith in the Saviour” and was baptized on 2 June 1867. About the same time she was sent to the Grand Pre Seminary in Wolfville, N.S. There she was greatly influenced by Hannah Maria Norris*, who in 1870 began the successful organization of women’s missionary societies in the Baptist churches of the Maritimes. It was probably at Wolfville that Lamont met Rufus Sanford, a former student at Acadia College and then a teacher at Horton Academy, who had already decided on a career in the field of foreign missions. On the afternoon of 20 Aug. 1873 Sanford was ordained as a foreign missionary, and that evening he and Lamont were married.

In October the Sanford's, George Churchill and his wife, Matilda M. Churchill, William F. Armstrong, Flora Eaton, and Maria Armstrong left for Rangoon (Yangon), Burma. Known as the “serving seven,” the group arrived on 12 Jan. 1874 and took up work among the Karen people, where they struggled with the difficult language and the even more difficult climate. Although funded by the Baptists of the Maritime's, the “serving seven” worked under the board of the American Baptist Missionary Union. By the mid 1870s, however, Maritime Baptists no longer considered this arrangement acceptable, and they strove for a mission station of their own. In 1875 the missionaries were ordered to leave their work and proceed to Cocanada (Kakinada), India, to open a Maritime Baptist mission. There they were to labour beside the missionaries of the Ontario and Quebec convention among the Telugu-speaking peoples.

Some of Sanford’s fellow missionaries had reservations about the decision, but she was clearly delighted, and wrote to the press in Nova Scotia that “we are well assured that the Lord has sent us to this people.” She had detested the long rainy season in Burma, and found the climate of the west coast of the Bay of Bengal much more to her liking. The Sanfords’ arrival at Bimlipatam on 4 Nov. 1875 marked the start of the Maritime Baptist involvement in India, which has lasted to the present. The couple had to battle heat, language and cultural barriers, famine, lack of supplies, and the almost impenetrable caste system. Mary concentrated on women and children, establishing schools and a system of “Bible women” designed to reach and teach other Indian women. Rufus worked with the men, attempting to set up a small network of trained native preachers.

The effort involved in her programs, the births of three children and the death of one due to inadequate medical supplies, the discouragingly low number of conversions, and the climate seriously affected Sanford’s health, which had never been robust. She and the children were forced to spend from 1881 to 1886 in Nova Scotia on furlough. By 1891 the health of both Sanfords had been broken, and they had to return to Canada. After a furlough of four years Rufus went back to India, this time to the more promising Vizianagaram station, a few miles from Bimlipatam.

Mary Sanford returned to India for the last time in 1899. Shortly after the reunion held to mark the 30th anniversary of the “serving seven,” she died in Madras, a victim of the ill health which had plagued her during her missionary career. Aided by their daughter Lottie A., Rufus continued work until his death at Vizianagaram in 1932. Mary Sanford was in many respects typical of the missionary wives of the late 19th and early 20th century. She worked quietly and faithfully among the women of India, bore and buried her children, and shouldered burdens which at times were tremendous, but she received little recognition or credit, then or later.

Barry M. Moody

Thursday, April 28, 2011

Monday, March 14, 2011

THE RYANS


IN THE ABOVE PICTURE CANDICE ROXANNE
PATSY RYAN FREDRICKS (MIDDLE)(UNKNOWN)
LYNETTE FREDRICKS CORREA

HERBERT RYAN MY MOMS BROTHER

HERBERT RYAN MARRIED?
HE HAD SEVERAL KIDS PATSY HAZEL
GERALDINE RYAN,
PATSY RYAN MARRIED FREDRICKS
HAD A DAUGHTER LYNETTE WHO MARRED CORREA




MY MOMS MAIDEN NAME WAS EVELYN PHYLLIS RYAN
HER FATHERS NAME WAS HERBERT ALEXANDER RYAN
HER MOTHERS NAME WAS ?
BROTHERS NAME WAS HERBERT RYAN
AND SISTER DAISY RYAN

HER SISTERS RECORD

Name: Daisy Ryan
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 19 Dec 1934
Burial Place: Coonoor, Madras, India
Death Date: 18 Dec 1934
Death Place:
Age: 22
Birth Date: 1912
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B00212-4
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 528781
Reference Number:


DAISY DIED OF ACUTE APPENDIX

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? RYAN MY MOMS MOM

MARRIED TWICE,
SANDFORD WHO WAS A MISSIONARY
WHO WAS DOING MISSION WORK, IN THE SOUTH OF INDIA
HE DIED AT THE AGE OF 90 AND IS BURIED IN Vizianagram
(INFOEMATIOM TOLD TO ME BY MY MOM)


? MY GRAND MOM MARRIED RYAN, I WAS TOLD HE WAS WORKING
IN A PRISON IN CALCUTTA AND IS BURRIED
IN THE LOWER CIRCULAR CEMETERY IN CALCUTTA
HERBERT RYAN HIS SON WORKED IN SOUTH INDIA
AS A FOREST OFFICER MOST PROBABLY IN THE NILGIRIS,
BUT LATER HE SETTLED IN CALCUTTA.
HIS CHILDREN NAME WERE HAZEL GERLDINE PATSY
RUBY AND PEARL. PATSY MARRIED FREDRICKS,
AND IS IN AUSTRALIA WITH HER DAUGHTER LYNETTE
AND GRAND CHILDREN CANDICE AND ROXANNE
MY GRAND MOM DIED OF CANCER
AND IS BURIED IN KILPAUK CEMETERY MADRAS,

MY MOM EVELYN PHYLLIS RYAN MARRIED
PATRICK WILLIAM DORAN AND HAD FIVE CHILDREN
BARBARA, FRANKLIN, PATRICK, IAN AND MY SELF
NANETTE DORAN
..................................................................................
HERBERT RYAN MY MOMS BROTH HERBERT RYAN MARRIED DAISY WILLIAMS
HE HAD SEVERAL KIDS PATSY HAZEL
GERALDINE RYAN,
PATSY RYAN MARRIED FREDRICK
HAD A DAUGHTER LYNETTE WHO MARRED CORREA
HER DAUGHTERS ARE CANDICE AND ROXANNE

GENERATION OF CONWAY'S

WAS LOOKING FOR ROOTS AND I CAME ACROSS THIS INFORMATION

THIS WAS MY MOTHER
FIRST MARRIAGE
INFORMATION OF HER HUSBAND
AND HER FATHER IN LAW


HER HUSBAND NAME IS JOHN DANIEL CONWAY
HIS FATHERS NAME IS ALSO JOHN DANIEL CONWAY

Groom's Name: John Daniel Conway
Groom's Birth Date: 1900
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 29
Bride's Name: Evelyn Phylis Ryan
Bride's Birth Date: 1910
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 19
Marriage Date: 06 Jul 1929
Marriage Place: Wellington, Madras, India
Groom's Father's Name: John Daniel Conway
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Herbert Alexander Ryan
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00113-4
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 463313
Reference Number:


EVELYN PHYLLIS RYAN
JOHN DANIEL CONWAY
HAD A SON WHOSE NAME WAS JOHN WARREN CONWAY
GIVEN UP FOR ADOPTION
ST GEORGES HOMES KETI NILGIRIS
SO I HAVE A HALF BROTHER WHOSE
NAME IS JOHN WARREN CONWAY



JOHN DANIELS CONWAYS
BIRTH RECORD
(my moms first husband)


Name: John Daniel Conway
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 02 Aug 1900
Baptism/Christening Place: Liverpool, Lancaster, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Daniel Conway
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Caroline Conway
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02186-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1656572
Reference Number: 45


john daniel conway


John Daniel Conway. Sergeant Madras Police. I.PM. Gazette of India
Extraordinary: 01Jan1934 page 31. 'These Officers took part in the
operations against the hill tribes in the Kalyanasingapur Valley of the
Vizagapatam Agency in January 1933. The operations involved camp
life and hard marching day and night in very difficult country, and these
officers rendered consistently good and ungrudging service in the face of
all difficulties and inconveniences. The fine spirit of all six officers kept
up the hearts of the men under their command and materially contributed
to the complete success of the operations which have, it is hoped, ended a
situation that has constituted a menace for several years. Together with two
pages of research.


Thirteenth Session, Commencing at 2.30 pm ORDERS, DECORATIONS & MEDALS
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JOHN DANIEL CONWAY AND CAROLINE
MARRIAGE RECORDS (Evelyn phyllis nee ryan conway,
motherin law Caroline
and father in law Daniel Conway)


Groom's Name: John Daniel Conway
Groom's Birth Date: 1875
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Caroline Costin
Bride's Birth Date: 1875
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 21
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1896
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: John Patrick Conway
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Costin
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:

Wednesday, March 2, 2011

MY DADS ANCESTORS THE DORANS

MY GRAND MOTHER AND GRAND FATHER.

Groom's Name: William Doran
Groom's Birth Date: 1869
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 30
Bride's Name: Olivia Edith Johnstone
Bride's Birth Date: 1872
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 27
Marriage Date: 30 Jul 1899
Marriage Place: Moorghiliatte, Bengal, India
Groom's Father's Name: Artheimes Doran
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Joseph D'Fosta
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75065-4
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 512376
Reference Number: Film 512-376
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my great great grandfather
father of WILLIAM DORAN

Groom's Name: Patrick Arthemus Doran
Groom's Birth Date: 1878
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 28
Bride's Name: Jessica Emilia Stanislaus
Bride's Birth Date: 1891
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 15
Marriage Date: 21 Feb 1906
Marriage Place: Dhurrum Tollah, Bengal, India
Groom's Father's Name: Anthony Doran
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Robert A. Stanislaus
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75039-8
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 527533
Reference Number:


MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER
father,OF Patrick Arthemus Doran.
Anthony Doran DEATH REGISTRATION

Name: Anthony Doran

Gender: Male
Burial Date: 17 Jun 1912
Burial Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
Death Date: 16 Jun 1912
Death Place:
Age: 74
Birth Date: 1838
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status: Unknown
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B75044-3
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 463381
Reference Number:


MY DADS MOM MY GRAND MOTHER
Name: Olivia Edith Doran
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 20 Jun 1927
Burial Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
Death Date: 19 Jun 1927
Death Place:
Age: 46
Birth Date: 1881
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: W. Doran
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B75055-1
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 527590
Reference Number:



MY SISTER SHE DIED BEFORE
SHE EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO GROW
SHE DIED OF SMALL POX,
AT THAT TIME IT WAS A
DREADED DISEASE

Name: Patricia Evelyn Doran
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 10 Feb 1941
Burial Place: Khargpur, Bengal, India
Death Date: 10 Feb 1941
Death Place:
Age: 1
Birth Date: 1940
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: P. W. Doran
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B75062-3
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 534494
Reference Number:

IT IS SAD BUT TRUE,
I NEVER SAW MY GRAND PARENTS
BOTH MATERNAL OR PATERNAL
JUST NAMES AND FIGURES,

MY GREAT GRAND FATHER
GREAT GRAND MOTHER

MY DADS SISTER
MURIEL DORAN MARRIED
ARTHUR DIGNUM
ALSO KNOWN AS UNCLE DICK
SPELLING OF DORAN IS MISTAKE


Groom's Name: Arthur Frank Dignum
Groom's Birth Date: 1897
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 25
Bride's Name: Muriel Jane Daran
Bride's Birth Date: 1900
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 22
Marriage Date: 21 Jun 1922
Marriage Place: Howrah, Bengal, India
Groom's Father's Name: Albert Victor Dignum
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: William Samuel Daran
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75051-5
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 527560
Reference Number:


MY DADS SISTER MY AUNT,
IRENE GRACE DORAN

MARRIED TWICE FIRST MARRIAGE TO PETER PHILLIPS
SECOND MARRIAGE TO MR STROUD,
SENIOR POST IN THE TITIGAR PAPER MILLS

Name: Irene Grace Doran
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Sep 1902
Baptism/Christening Place: Moorgheehatta, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1902
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Doran
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Olivia
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75037-1
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 527508
Reference Number: 527-508


MY DAD SISTER MY AUNT
SHE WAS A NURSE

Name: Edna Myrtle Doran
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 02 Feb 1908
Baptism/Christening Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1908
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race: White
Father's Name: William Samuel Doran
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Olivia Edith
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75041-2
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 528115
Reference Number:

MY DADS step SISTER MARIE
she appears to have been the daughter of
olivia johnston who was a widow
my grand father william doran married


Groom's Name: Arthur Herbert Berry
Groom's Birth Date: 1882
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 28
Bride's Name: Marie Gladys C. Johnstone
Bride's Birth Date: 1896
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 14
Marriage Date: 20 Jul 1910
Marriage Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
Groom's Father's Name: William Amos Berry
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: George S. Johnstone
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75042-9
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 528131
Reference Number:
THELMA ONE OF MY AUNT MARIE'S DAUGHTER


Groom's Name: William Barnett Mc Guire
Groom's Birth Date: 1913
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Thelma Elsie Mary Berry
Bride's Birth Date: 1917
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 17
Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1934
Marriage Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
Groom's Father's Name: Edward Barnett Mc Guire
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Arthur Herbert Berry
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75058-5
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 528986
Reference Number:

THE BERRYS AND DIGNUMS CONNECTION

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No 10 Squadron poses with the Jamsahib of Nawanagar at Jamnagar. Standing L-R are U/K EO, Flg Offrs Nirmal Singh, CR Bose, MM Singh, SK Mitra, IS Loughran, Umed Singh, BN Mishra, BS Sikand and Flt Lt Nair EO. Seated L-R Flt Lt DG Michael, MM Basu (Doc), Sqn Ldr J Bouche' CI, ATW, Miss Naushad (18 yrs) daughter of the Jamsahib, Sqn Ldr Pundalik B Pawar, CO, Mrs Jamsahib, Flt Lt Dilbagh Singh, Flt Lt Arthur Berry, Fg Offr MS Grewal. Pic courtesy: Vayu and Wg Cdr (Retd) IS Loughran.





CTU Hakimpet c 1952: Instructors (in khakis) and pupils of 58th PC

L to R: BK Dhiman, MS Rane, MW Tilak, unid'd instructor (possibly Umesh Hosali?), RC Mariano, CHL Digby, KK Malik, MN Singh, "Tempest" Murthy, Lt Jayachandran IN, Stan White, RL Badhwar, Koul, KD Hoon, Arthur Berry, Denny Satur, BK Singh


THIS IS A LETTER FROM ROBERT DE'BRASS
Hi Nanette
Thanks for your email I will give you a run down on the whole family Mama's two sons Arthur and Herbert
Arthur had Heather, Angela, Roy and micheal

Herbert had only one son bunny

Mama's daugter Kathrine (passed away) three KIDS Sylvia, Honey and Sydney

(Mum LULU passed away) Lulu BERRY had 8KIDS Buddy Patsy Truly Peter Robert (me)Jen leslie carol

Thelmma (past away) Todu, chunnu, phillip and nan(thee 4 passed away) living Frankie and peter Mcguire

Sheila BERRY (passed away) had Nancy and phillip
Jackie had Robert and Debbie

Dinky BERRYhand I think 4 children but I do not know thei names

Cynthia BERRY URBANIK (passed away) ANGELA AND FRANK FRANK
who unfortunately passed away

Delia (passed away) had Linda and Tara

That is all I can remember I take it that you are still in India as the last sentence of your email says you never left if you are still there I am coming to Cal in november and I hope we can meet up,
as you can see my mum was Lulu and helen who married pomi Wallia was my sister

Robert

Saturday, December 5, 2009

GEOFFREY C RYAN LETTERS TO ME

Hello,GeoffreY

Let me introduce my self my name is Nanette Doran and I live in India.
I was searching roots web to find any information about the Ryan's who are related to me.

My mother maiden name was Evelyn Phyllis Ryan, her moms name was ? Ryan and father name Herbert Alexander Ryan(as my mom named her first son John Warren Conway) Evelyn Phyllis Ryan had a brother whose name was Herbert Ryan and a sister named Daisy Ryan, DAISY died young and unmarried and is buried in Coonoor in the Nilgiris, that is in the same hills as Ooty, which you have mentioned by the way my mom did tell me she was very much in ooty, her brother Herbert was a forest officer in south India, Herbert children, Patricia (Patsy Hazel Gereldine and (Ruby Pearl)have all immigrated from India,and Patsy is now in Australia.

Patsy while in Calcutta was looking after the Mission of the Welland Gold Smith School in Calcutta, a school at that time for orphan girls.



? Ryan my grand mother is buried in Chennai (Madras)kilpauck cemetery she died of cancer.

Herbert Ryan and my grand father buried in Calcutta , he was service in the Calcutta jail, (i do believe of a bullet wound.
My mom was married twice she was first married to a British soldier John Daniel Conway,who was listed as missing in action, she had one son by him called John Warren Conway and was given up for adoption, to St Georges Homes Keti in the Nilgiris that to is very near to Ooty.

I am very interested in my family tree and I have been searching for the last three to four years, I even wrote to the British Military regarding John Conway, hoping to find some clue of my grand parents, my grand father I think was Irish , my mom would always sing the Irish lullaby, and my grandmother was from south Africa.I could be wrong.

I might have a step brother living some where out there.

The names Ooty Madras and Calcutta ,and the name Ryan might just be co incident, but I hope and pray it might be the same roots we are searching for, do look forward to your mail.

Regards,
Nanette Doran.


Sincere apologies for this rather late reply to your enquiry about the Ryan family. If I had already answered this, again kindly forgive me. A busy life and nearly 75 so I do sometime get my wires crossed!

I checked the information that you had forwarded and none of it has any link with my Ryan family as far as I can see. Ryan is a fairly common Irish name so there could have been a number who were out with the Army in the days of the Raj. Do hope you find some rewarding clues as you seek to trace your family.

Kind regards

Dear Nanette,

Good to hear from you again. Sorry to disappoint you, but none of the Ryan names that you included in your e-mail fit any of my Ryan forebears. I had heard of Ryan folk in Madras/Chennai but as my Ryan’s were in Calcutta, as far as I know none of them wandered down to the South.

Sir Edward Ryan (1793-1875) my Gt.Gt.Gt.Grandfather was a lawyer and came out to Bengal in 1827, and finally became Chief Justice 1833 He returned to England in 1843. He and his wife Louisa did have 12 children, some of them dying in India. Their eldest son Edmund Burke Ryan also in the law, was my Gt.Gt.Grandfather. He married twice, and although he and his first wife Emily Letitia Udny had a few children, unfortunately they all died young. One one son Edward Henry Ryan survived and he was a Col. In the Bengal Army and returned to England.He died in 1929.

The eldest son of Edward and Louisa, was my Gt.Gt.Grandfather Edmund Burke Ryan. He married a second time to a lady called Susan Lydia Rutledge and they had as far as I can trace four children.
Their only daughter was Ellen Harriet Mary Ryan and she married a Ross, so there are no further Ryan links there.

Henry Edmund Ryan (1846-1923) my Gt.Grandfather was their eldest son. He married a lady called Bell, and they has just the ONE DAUGHTER, My Grandma Mabel Amy Ryan/Bonnar.

The only possibility of your Ryan family having any link with my Ryan family, might be through the two other sons of Edmund Burke Ryan and Susan Lydia Rutledge.

These two sons were Charles William Ryan Christened 27.2.1848 (don’t know when be was born), and George Augustus Ryan b. 4.7.1848. I have not followed them up as yet, as there are not in my direct line, but I will one of these days. Now it is very possible they stayed on in India, married and had families but I have no documentation to prove that at present.
The family lived in Calcutta, so I presume that they may also be buried there or could have moved out to some other part of India. Just a possibility that your Ryan family could be descended from the children of these two men, but that has to be at this stage just speculation, until we prove it. Maybe you could work on these two brothers.

Poor Edmund Burke Ryan my Gt.Gt.Grandfather, died aged 35 in 1850 and is buried in Calcutta.

Now to the Williams family. My Williams were Madras based and again I have some material on them, however the name Daisy does not ring a bell. I shall try and send you my Williams information in the not too distant future, if it helps.

Happy hunting,

Kind regards,

Geoffrey.






From Liana Harres

This is about a generation of kids who eventually grew up tough and learned to make it on their our own with no government subsidies, no unemployment benefits, no medical plans, no job openings to apply for even if you had an education, no savings and for the most part no inheritance from our parents. Most families lived from day to day and had no savings.

How true and so well articulated! To the wonderful kids who were born in Calcutta and survived the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's...

First, we survived being born to mothers, some whose husbands smoked and/or drank while they carried us. They took aspirin, ate whatever food was put on the table, and didn't get tested for diabetes or any other disease! They were mothers who did not check their blood pressure every few minutes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs and bassinets were covered with bright colored lead-based paints. We were put in prams and sent out with 'Ayahs' to meet other children with their ayahs whilst our parents were busy.

We had no child proof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets, and when we rode our bikes we had no helmets, not to mention the risks we took hitchhiking or going out on our own.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or airbags. We sat on each others laps for God's sake. Riding in the back of a Station Wagon on a warm day was always a special treat. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this! We would share a bhuta or dosa; dip a chapatti into someone else's plate of curry without batting an eyelid. We ate jam sandwiches or pickle on bread and butter, raw mangoes with salt and chillies that set our teeth on edge, and drank orange squash with sugar and water in it. We ate at roadside stalls, drank water from tender coconuts, ate everything that was bad for us from putchkas (fried peanuts) to bhel puri (fried bread with chick peas) to bhajias (battered and fried vegetables) and samosas (fried egg rolls), but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day during the holidays, we were never ever bored, and we were allowed freedom all day as long as we were back when the streetlights came on, or when our parents told us to do so. No one was able to reach us all day by mobile phone or phone.

BUT we were OKAY! We would spend hours making paper kites, building things out of scraps with old pram wheels or cycle rims, inventing our own games, having pound parties, playing traditional games called hide and seek, kick the can, 'guli danda', 'seven tiles' and rounders, ride old cycles and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

Our parents earned less; never travelled abroad, except, on their vacations back home to Digha, Gopalpur, Puri, and Bandel. Religion was never an issue, everyone trusted and loved each other, and came to each others aid when needed. We never heard or claimed our inheritance, whilst our parents were alive.

We did not look for inheritance after they died too. They made sure we were alright. Never heard of pocket money! We swam with an inflated tube which we got from somebody who was replacing their car tires. We ran barefoot without thinking about it, if we got cut we used Iodine on it which made us jump. Our parents ran after us, to give us castor oil, once a month!! We did not wash our hands ten times a day. And we were OK. We did not have Play stations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no mobile phones, no personal computers, no I-Pods, no Internet or Internet chat rooms, no TV,..... Full stop! Listening to music was a gather around!

We did not have parents who said things like 'what would you like for breakfast, lunch or dinner'. We ate what was put in front of us and best of all, there was never any leftovers. We polished the lot!!!

WE HAD FRIENDS, great friends, whose parents we called Uncle and Aunty, and we went outside and found them! They too took care of us, when our parents were away, and without any charge!

We fell out of trees numerous times, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no compensation claims from these accidents. We never visited the Dentist! We ate fruit lying on the ground that we shook down from the tree above. And we never washed the fruit.

We had a bath using a bucket and mug and used Lifebuoy soap. We did not know what Shampoos & Conditioners meant. We made up games with sticks and tennis balls. We played goli danda and seven tiles; We rode cycles everywhere and someone sat on the carrier or across the bar to school or the pictures, not cinema, or you walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them, and their parents, never let us go without a meal or something....

Not everyone made it into the teams we wanted to...........Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of....... They actually sided with the law! This generation of ours has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever...

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

Please pass this on to others who have had the luck and good fortune to grow up as kids in Calcutta, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives, ostensibly for our own good, that changed what was good into bad and what was bad into worse.......

Those were the GOLDEN DAYS my friends of our yester years. !!!

Liana Harris

SOME VIEWS ON ANGLOS

In 1830 British Parliament described the Anglo-Indian as those who have been English educated, are entirely European in their habits and feelings, dress and language. They were more "Anglo" than "Indian". Their mother-tongue was English, they were Catholic or Anglican and their customs and traditions were English. While most of them married within their own circle, many continued to marry expatriate Englishmen. Very few married Indians. Without Anglo-Indian support, British rule would have collapsed.

RAILWAYS
We ran the railways, post and telegraph, police and customs, education, export and import, shipping, tea, coffee and tobacco plantations, the coal and gold fields. We became teachers, nurses, priests and doctors. If it had any value, the British made sure we ran it. And when it came to secretarial duties no-one could touch our Anglo-Indian girls - the best stenographers in the world and with beauty to match. Were we favoured? Yes, the English trusted us. After all we were blood related. We worked hard. We became indispensable. We lived comfortably and were protected by the British raj. Like the British, we had servants to do all our domestic work.

The average Anglo-Indian home could afford at least three full time servants - a cook, a bearer and the indispensable nanny (ayah). Part time servants included a gardener, cleaner and laundry man (dhobi). Of course we learned to speak Hindi to be able to argue, give orders, bargain, accuse and terminate employment and throw in a dozen Hindi expletives. Imagine our horror when we were later to migrate to England, Canada and Australia and we no longer had servants to do our domestic chores.Who can remember looking at our first toilet brush and asking 'what do we do with this?'
We had to learn to cook, clean, garden, do the laundry and take the garbage out and look after the kids.

CHRISTMAS CAKE
The tradition of making your own Christmas cake was a sacred Anglo-Indian custom. Each family had a secret cake recipe, handed down from our grandparents. About a week before Christmas the local baker was contacted. He would turn up to your home with two very large terracotta bowls that looked more like satellite dishes.
One for the egg whites and one for mixing. Mum would dish out the ingredients. This was all mixed together under her watchful eye and distributed into about dozen or so cake tins and labelled with your name on it. This labelling was all important. We did not want him to return that evening with someone else's cake recipe. Heaven forbid.

MUSIC/DANCE
Music, movies and socialising were high on the agenda. We loved a dance. Afternoon dance jam sessions were a magnet for the teenagers where we jived, jitterbugged, tangoed or just fox trotted. Many a lasting liaison was forged on the dance floor and today many of us are celebrating 40-year plus marriages. Our mums sat around gossiping and seldom took their eyes off their darling daughters.
I know, I speak from experience. I met my wife at one such event and now, 44 years later, I still fancy her.


The Anglo-Indian railway and cantonment towns that sprung up around the major cities cultivated a unique social and industrial blend with a heartbeat. Their dances were legendary. At the drop of a hat the city cousins would jump on a train and travel for anything up to six hours to get to that up-country dance.

Many of our lives revolved around the biggest and best railway system in the world. And the trains ran on time! Today the Indian Railways transport over 5 billion passengers each year, employing more than 1.6 million personnel. Between 1853 and 1947 we built and managed 42 rail systems. This was a legacy we can be proud of.

CONTRIBUTIONS
During World War 1 about 8000 Anglo-Indians fought in Mesopotamia, East Africa, and in the European theatre - three Anglo-Indians were awarded Victoria Crosses. In World War II they fought at Dunkirk and flew in the battle of Britain; Guy Gibson of the Dam Busters was one such Anglo-Indian, and we were in North Africa, Malaya and the fall of Singapore . Merle Oberon, Juliet Prowse, Tony Brent, Engelbert Humperdinck and Cliff Richard are all Anglo-Indians.

The Anglo-Indians took India to Olympic hockey glory. From 1928, India won five consecutive Olympic hockey gold medals. In fact, when India faced Australia in the semi-finals of the 1960 Olympics in Rome , it was a unique occasion. The captains who came face to face were both Anglo-Indians: Leslie Claudius and Kevin Carton.

EDUCATION
English education played a major role amongst the Anglo-Indians. Anglo-Indian schools numbered close to 300 and were prized. They stretched from Bangalore in the south to the cooler northern hill stations of Darjeeling in the foothills of the Himalayas . Each was modelled on the posh English Public school system. We ran them as teachers and principals and to this day these schools are coveted across the sub-continent.

IDENTITY DILEMMA
The Anglo-Indian has always faced an identity dilemma because of our mixed origins. Europeans said they were Indians with some European blood; Indians said they were Europeans with some Indian blood. The world of Anglo-India vanished on August 15th 1947 when India became the largest independent democracy in the world. The British packed and went home. Over 300,000 Anglo-Indians remained. We felt apprehensive and abandoned. So we too packed our bags and began to migrate to Australia , Britain , Canada , the U.S.A. and New Zealand .

Many of you will remember the dreaded Income Tax Clearance document one needed to leave the country and further faced the strict Indian foreign exchange regulations that allowed you only 10 pounds each. Imagine starting life in a new country with 10 quid in your pocket. Some had to leave behind their savings; others simply resorted to the risky black market, loosing a 30% of their savings.

IDENTITY
The Anglo-Indian identity is disappearing. We have found new lives and merged into the mainstream. Our generation, sitting here tonight, who were born in India , growing up in the 40s thru to 60s, are possibly the last true Anglo-Indians. Look around you. Where is the next generation? Most of our children were born abroad and their connection to Anglo-India is very fragile. They have married Aussies, English, Canadian or other Anglo-Indians born outside India .

They prefer to be regarded as English, Australian or Canadian. Our grandchildren will assimilate and forge a new identity based on their country of birth. Putting aside history, I believe we could regard ourselves as an exotic cocktail that had its origins over 300 years ago. We have matured and become a unique aromatic spirit, generously flavoured and very stimulating. We were a force to be reckoned with.
We were the shakers and the stirrers. Please pick up your glasses and toast your State of Origin and New Horizons.


FW: The Anglo Indians‏ From: Gordon Rixon (gordon_r02@hotmail.c